SSJ Gogeta (Movie 12) vs Hirudegarn

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SSJ Gogeta (Movie 12) vs Hirudegarn
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MysticGotenks	Jan 1 2012, 09:13 PM Post #16
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Well we can only really go by the movies. M13 Goku >>M12 Goku. But, SSJ Gogeta>>>>>M12 Goku, more so than haxed M13 Goku is to M12 Goku. On that basis, SSJ Gogeta>M13 Son>M12 Son>Chou Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks (lol wow). I see SSJ Gogeta stronger than M13 Son w/ Dragon Fist Boost, so he wins, but he needs to be lucky, Hirudegarn would just 'mistify' out of most attacks. Will be tough, but Gogeta takes it.
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Voids	Jan 1 2012, 09:40 PM Post #17
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	I would have to say SSJ Gogeta and pretty easily too. On the theory gotenks is near gogeta is bull. SSJ3 Gotenks was evenly matched with super buu, gohan was stronger than gotenks, goku said that gotenks was stronger than him, when goku is in ssj3, however he was still able to dodge buutenks attacks. Gohan mystic >>> SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku Now this is were it gets kind of complicated. Goku SSJ3 is near SSJ3 gotenks level, possibly near the same but he would still lose. with him fusing with vegeta, now what makes you think that when vegeta and goku fuse, they will still only be nearly the same as gogeta /facepalm. ON TOPIC Gogeta easily. Goku could take hits from janemba as ssj3, a lot more than with Hirudegarn. How ever goku was still able to take 3 (not too sure) straight on. Now if he was fused with vegeta I can see the same scenario play out, like in the janemba movie. If he fused he would be in SSJ form and he would get punched with no effect. Furthermore, goku was able to dodge one of Hirudegarn punches, if he was able to do it ssj3 I think the fusion would amplify this greatly, allowing gogeta to dodge with little trouble at all. NOTE: In all honesty though, the gogeta and gotenks this is hilarious LMAO Edited by Voids, Jan 1 2012, 09:40 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Post #18
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits.
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Voids	Jan 1 2012, 10:30 PM Post #19
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits. The anime is broadly based upon the manga, so there is also described as canon.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 1 2012, 11:24 PM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Voids Jan 1 2012, 10:30 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits. The anime is broadly based upon the manga, so there is also described as canon. The anime is non-canon. It's not Toriyama's original work.
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+ Clearin	Jan 1 2012, 11:26 PM Post #21
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 11:24 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 10:30 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits. The anime is broadly based upon the manga, so there is also described as canon. The anime is non-canon. It's not Toriyama's original work. When debating a movie should you use anime or manga though?



+ Pyrus	Jan 1 2012, 11:35 PM Post #22
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Jan 1 2012, 11:26 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 11:24 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 10:30 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits. The anime is broadly based upon the manga, so there is also described as canon. The anime is non-canon. It's not Toriyama's original work. When debating a movie should you use anime or manga though? I don't know to be honest. I normally go with the anime, since the movies tend to differ quite a bit with their strength relations like the anime.
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MysticGotenks	Jan 1 2012, 11:39 PM Post #23
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 11:35 PM Teen GohanZ Jan 1 2012, 11:26 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 11:24 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 10:30 PM Kamikaze Pyro Jan 1 2012, 10:17 PM Keep in mind, all of that is from the anime and does not reflect strength relations in canon material. Goku tanked a punch from Hirudegarn, but was injured from Janemba's hits. The anime is broadly based upon the manga, so there is also described as canon. The anime is non-canon. It's not Toriyama's original work. When debating a movie should you use anime or manga though? I don't know to be honest. I normally go with the anime, since the movies tend to differ quite a bit with their strength relations like the anime. For movies it's best not to even go near the manga for referenced material when debating movies, the anime is far enough imo. I usually just keep it movie to movie unless needed otherwise, then I look to the anime. I would rather not use the manga for movie debates as the power differences between movies/anime and manga are all over the place.
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Voids	Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM Post #24
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	My final verdict is gogeta without a doubt... though, why did goku not consider the fusion when he did realise the weakness Hirudegarn. :/ hmm the speculation :P. It was like the argument someone on dbzepisode.org was having with me... the guy thought kid buu was stronger than buuhan /facepalm
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MysticGotenks	Jan 1 2012, 11:46 PM Post #25
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Voids Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM My final verdict is gogeta without a doubt... though, why did goku not consider the fusion when he did realise the weakness Hirudegarn. :/ hmm the speculation :P. It was like the argument someone on dbzepisode.org was having with me... the guy thought kid buu was stronger than buuhan /facepalm Well unfortunately going by anime logic, Kid Boo > Gohan Boo, it's stupid I know, when you read the manga you will find it even more silly, but hey, that's Toei for ya. By manga Gohan Boo>>>>>Kid Boo, obviously. There was also no point for Son Goku to fuse after, he obviously thought Dragon Fist will suffice, and he was right.
	Hey Piccolo......are..are you a Yoshi?


Voids	Jan 2 2012, 12:13 AM Post #26
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	MysticGotenks Jan 1 2012, 11:46 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM My final verdict is gogeta without a doubt... though, why did goku not consider the fusion when he did realise the weakness Hirudegarn. :/ hmm the speculation :P. It was like the argument someone on dbzepisode.org was having with me... the guy thought kid buu was stronger than buuhan /facepalm Well unfortunately going by anime logic, Kid Boo > Gohan Boo, it's stupid I know, when you read the manga you will find it even more silly, but hey, that's Toei for ya. By manga Gohan Boo>>>>>Kid Boo, obviously. There was also no point for Son Goku to fuse after, he obviously thought Dragon Fist will suffice, and he was right. I dont think in the anime kid buu was portrayed as stronger. He isn't the strongest, I think it was more the fact that he was dangerous, killing pretty much anything which moved. Kid buu never started ripping a universe apart during goku's fight. Furthermore, I consider the fact the goku broke the potara ear ring backs that up. He wouldn't have done so if he knew he wasn't in with a shot of beating kid buu by himself (and vegeta of course). I think people assume (making an '***' of 'u' and 'me') that kid buu was the strongest because he destroyed planets and reformed, buuhan didnt have a reason to do that except fight warriors, furthermore because of the fact that he was the last villian. It was like semi perfect cell when he was about to explode, why did they worry if he semi perfect was weaker than perfect, could the z warriors not have made a ki barrier to prevent the explosion? Ahh the plot holes Edited by Voids**, Jan 2 2012, 12:13 AM.
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MysticGotenks	Jan 2 2012, 02:09 AM Post #27
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Voids Jan 2 2012, 12:13 AM MysticGotenks Jan 1 2012, 11:46 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM My final verdict is gogeta without a doubt... though, why did goku not consider the fusion when he did realise the weakness Hirudegarn. :/ hmm the speculation :P. It was like the argument someone on dbzepisode.org was having with me... the guy thought kid buu was stronger than buuhan /facepalm Well unfortunately going by anime logic, Kid Boo > Gohan Boo, it's stupid I know, when you read the manga you will find it even more silly, but hey, that's Toei for ya. By manga Gohan Boo>>>>>Kid Boo, obviously. There was also no point for Son Goku to fuse after, he obviously thought Dragon Fist will suffice, and he was right. I dont think in the anime kid buu was portrayed as stronger. He isn't the strongest, I think it was more the fact that he was dangerous, killing pretty much anything which moved. Kid buu never started ripping a universe apart during goku's fight. Furthermore, I consider the fact the goku broke the potara ear ring backs that up. He wouldn't have done so if he knew he wasn't in with a shot of beating kid buu by himself (and vegeta of course). I think people assume (making an '*****' of 'u' and 'me') that kid buu was the strongest because he destroyed planets and reformed, buuhan didnt have a reason to do that except fight warriors, furthermore because of the fact that he was the last villian. It was like semi perfect cell when he was about to explode, why did they worry if he semi perfect was weaker than perfect, could the z warriors not have made a ki barrier to prevent the explosion? Ahh the plot holes Well some see Gohan Boo's rage burst of steaming anger that threw SSjin Vegetto off a bit to be Kid Boo's anger, that was anime filler and a reason why some say anime Kid Boo> Gohan Boo. In regards to your last question... Yes, they could, and probably could have tanked it with a powerful shield, maybe made unconscious. Either way, the explosion would have destroyed the Earth, hence Son Goku taking him to Kaio's planet in the first place.
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Voids	Jan 2 2012, 02:16 AM Post #28
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	MysticGotenks Jan 2 2012, 02:09 AM Voids Jan 2 2012, 12:13 AM MysticGotenks Jan 1 2012, 11:46 PM Voids Jan 1 2012, 11:41 PM My final verdict is gogeta without a doubt... though, why did goku not consider the fusion when he did realise the weakness Hirudegarn. :/ hmm the speculation :P. It was like the argument someone on dbzepisode.org was having with me... the guy thought kid buu was stronger than buuhan /facepalm Well unfortunately going by anime logic, Kid Boo > Gohan Boo, it's stupid I know, when you read the manga you will find it even more silly, but hey, that's Toei for ya. By manga Gohan Boo>>>>>Kid Boo, obviously. There was also no point for Son Goku to fuse after, he obviously thought Dragon Fist will suffice, and he was right. I dont think in the anime kid buu was portrayed as stronger. He isn't the strongest, I think it was more the fact that he was dangerous, killing pretty much anything which moved. Kid buu never started ripping a universe apart during goku's fight. Furthermore, I consider the fact the goku broke the potara ear ring backs that up. He wouldn't have done so if he knew he wasn't in with a shot of beating kid buu by himself (and vegeta of course). I think people assume (making an '*****' of 'u' and 'me') that kid buu was the strongest because he destroyed planets and reformed, buuhan didnt have a reason to do that except fight warriors, furthermore because of the fact that he was the last villian. It was like semi perfect cell when he was about to explode, why did they worry if he semi perfect was weaker than perfect, could the z warriors not have made a ki barrier to prevent the explosion? Ahh the plot holes Well some see Gohan Boo's rage burst of steaming anger that threw SSjin Vegetto off a bit to be Kid Boo's anger, that was anime filler and a reason why some say anime Kid Boo> Gohan Boo. In regards to your last question... Yes, they could, and probably could have tanked it with a powerful shield, maybe made unconscious. Either way, the explosion would have destroyed the Earth, hence Son Goku taking him to Kaio's planet in the first place. if they did make various layers of ki barriers, it would have and implosion effect rather than an explosion effect, therefore the earth would have been save.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 2 2012, 02:18 AM Post #29
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	They didn't have time to think.
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Voids	Jan 2 2012, 02:19 AM Post #30
Posts: 55 Group: Member Member #7,155 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 2 2012, 02:18 AM They didn't have time to think. I guess so either way it's a little off topic now let get back on track
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